alt raid group
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mike.olmeda
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alt raid group
Hello to all i was wondering if there was an Alt Raid group that i could maybe participate in. I want to be on the roster but I know I still have some ways to go. also I would like some feedback on how I did on the Tuesday raid i welcome criticism and tips so i can get better
Re: alt raid group
The Pinkbird raid on Fri and Sun usually needs people and I'm pretty sure that Avery would be thrilled if he could go back to DPSing instead of tanking.
My personal take on improvement is that *you* need to be able to roughly count how many mistakes you made during a pull -- regardless of a wipe or kill. For example, when I'm DPSing on a toon, after we kill a boss, I can count how many times I felt 'ugh' during the fight because I botched my rotation. Similarly, when I'm healing a fight, I can count how many times I felt 'I wish I queued up a different heal' during the fight because I made a poor decision. Those mistakes usually don't wipe us, but I still know that they're mistakes.
For tanking, can you remember during each pull roughly how well you did your mitigation rotation? How many times did you wish you lined up your short tanking CDs (e.g., shield block) with actual heavy hits? How many times did you wish you used your absorb/heal rage dump (e.g., shield barrier) instead of your avoidance rage dump (e.g., shield block) or vice versa? How many times did you wish you had a long tanking CD up (e.g., shield wall), but you burned it earlier instead of saving it? How about the opposite -- how many times did you not use a long tanking CD for twice it's cooldown (e.g., not using shield wall for 6 minutes) which meant that you could have used it an extra time instead of just sitting on the CD?
The above are just class mechanics. Then there are fight mechanics. How many times did you pick up an add later than you should have? How many times was a tank swap late and the other tank took extra debuff stacks? How many times was a tank swap early and you mistakenly push out your own debuff stack before it fell off? How many times did you start moving the boss late and had to run instead of moving backwards slowly causing your melee DPS to be out of melee range? How many interrupts did you botch (e.g., airballed the interrupt or interrupted the wrong ability)? How many times did you stand in fire longer than you were supposed to (e.g., one tick will always occur, but did you move out before a second tick)?
TL;DR: another way to think about this is: if after a boss fight week after week, you felt like you did zero mistakes, then you should go join Blood Legion -- you're a perfect DPS/healer/tank! You're making no mistakes, so there's no more room for improvement other than gear. However, I can identify my own mistakes every time we pull a boss and work out a plan to actually reduce those mistakes week after week so that I'm improving.
-HP
My personal take on improvement is that *you* need to be able to roughly count how many mistakes you made during a pull -- regardless of a wipe or kill. For example, when I'm DPSing on a toon, after we kill a boss, I can count how many times I felt 'ugh' during the fight because I botched my rotation. Similarly, when I'm healing a fight, I can count how many times I felt 'I wish I queued up a different heal' during the fight because I made a poor decision. Those mistakes usually don't wipe us, but I still know that they're mistakes.
For tanking, can you remember during each pull roughly how well you did your mitigation rotation? How many times did you wish you lined up your short tanking CDs (e.g., shield block) with actual heavy hits? How many times did you wish you used your absorb/heal rage dump (e.g., shield barrier) instead of your avoidance rage dump (e.g., shield block) or vice versa? How many times did you wish you had a long tanking CD up (e.g., shield wall), but you burned it earlier instead of saving it? How about the opposite -- how many times did you not use a long tanking CD for twice it's cooldown (e.g., not using shield wall for 6 minutes) which meant that you could have used it an extra time instead of just sitting on the CD?
The above are just class mechanics. Then there are fight mechanics. How many times did you pick up an add later than you should have? How many times was a tank swap late and the other tank took extra debuff stacks? How many times was a tank swap early and you mistakenly push out your own debuff stack before it fell off? How many times did you start moving the boss late and had to run instead of moving backwards slowly causing your melee DPS to be out of melee range? How many interrupts did you botch (e.g., airballed the interrupt or interrupted the wrong ability)? How many times did you stand in fire longer than you were supposed to (e.g., one tick will always occur, but did you move out before a second tick)?
TL;DR: another way to think about this is: if after a boss fight week after week, you felt like you did zero mistakes, then you should go join Blood Legion -- you're a perfect DPS/healer/tank! You're making no mistakes, so there's no more room for improvement other than gear. However, I can identify my own mistakes every time we pull a boss and work out a plan to actually reduce those mistakes week after week so that I'm improving.
-HP
Re: alt raid group
greetings. unfortunately the alt raids are pretty much non-existent these days, but as inori said pinkbird does friday / sunday raids that you may or may not be able to participate in. as far as our main group, you are currently slotted as the third tank. your dps isn't sufficient to earn a spot as dps (not surprising, since you are a tank) and we don't need more melee anyway, so as i've mentioned before there isn't really a consistent spot available at the moment. we do have some flexibility for tanks, but my priority for the raid is to push progression so i'm more inclined to stick with our current tanks, since putting a relatively inexperienced tank into the raid will slow us down more than i'd like, mainly due to the fact that the learning curve for normal raids is still pretty steep.
that said, in addition to what inori mentioned, there are some things you can work on. unfortunately i do not have any experience with warriors, but i can offer some general tanking advice. first and foremost, the most important thing is to develop good raid awareness, which is something you can work on in lfr despite the fact that for the most part everything about an encounter can be ignored in lfr since the raid can be carried by the healers. in addition to general raid mechanics and not standing in fire, you should learn the relevant tank debuffs for each encounter, because unlike in lfr it is essential to taunt at the appropriate times in normal mode, as well as be aware of when the other tank needs to taunt to that you can ease off threat generation. you should also learn the cadence of each encounter, so that you know when it's best to use cooldowns and / or when healers are going to be busy with raid healing and therefore not able to give you their full attention, or if a healer dies and / or is otherwise unable to heal normally.
some specific examples, not necessarily inclusive of everything for each boss:
jin'rohk: know when to taunt after thundering throw and static burst
horridon: try to align your active mitigation (shield block?) with triple puncture, as well as when to use cds based on your current number of debuff stacks, and know when adds are jumping down so you can pick them up before they eat the healers
council of elders: know when to taunt for frigid assault and when to stack for frostbite to help soak damage
tortos: be aware of when bats are summoned and ensuring that you don't drop below 50% if you are on bat duty, or aligning your active mitigation with snapping bite if you are on tortos
megaera: learn when to use cds and be aware of when healers are otherwise occupied with raid healing or dispels
ji'kun: know when to taunt for talon rake
durumu: know when to taunt after hard stare / serious wound, as well as adjusting to being in the appropriate light beam, and helping out with life drain when necessary
primordius: know when to taunt for malformed blood as well as making sure the boss does not absorb volatile pools
a lot of this can only be learned by actually raiding, but being aware of the different mechanics before you get to practice them in a raid environment will allow you to adjust your personal strategy much more quickly. again as inori said, you should always look for ways to improve yourself personally, as well as to improve the raid as a whole.
anywho, hopefully this is helpful, and if you have any other questions or anything, feel free to ask
that said, in addition to what inori mentioned, there are some things you can work on. unfortunately i do not have any experience with warriors, but i can offer some general tanking advice. first and foremost, the most important thing is to develop good raid awareness, which is something you can work on in lfr despite the fact that for the most part everything about an encounter can be ignored in lfr since the raid can be carried by the healers. in addition to general raid mechanics and not standing in fire, you should learn the relevant tank debuffs for each encounter, because unlike in lfr it is essential to taunt at the appropriate times in normal mode, as well as be aware of when the other tank needs to taunt to that you can ease off threat generation. you should also learn the cadence of each encounter, so that you know when it's best to use cooldowns and / or when healers are going to be busy with raid healing and therefore not able to give you their full attention, or if a healer dies and / or is otherwise unable to heal normally.
some specific examples, not necessarily inclusive of everything for each boss:
jin'rohk: know when to taunt after thundering throw and static burst
horridon: try to align your active mitigation (shield block?) with triple puncture, as well as when to use cds based on your current number of debuff stacks, and know when adds are jumping down so you can pick them up before they eat the healers
council of elders: know when to taunt for frigid assault and when to stack for frostbite to help soak damage
tortos: be aware of when bats are summoned and ensuring that you don't drop below 50% if you are on bat duty, or aligning your active mitigation with snapping bite if you are on tortos
megaera: learn when to use cds and be aware of when healers are otherwise occupied with raid healing or dispels
ji'kun: know when to taunt for talon rake
durumu: know when to taunt after hard stare / serious wound, as well as adjusting to being in the appropriate light beam, and helping out with life drain when necessary
primordius: know when to taunt for malformed blood as well as making sure the boss does not absorb volatile pools
a lot of this can only be learned by actually raiding, but being aware of the different mechanics before you get to practice them in a raid environment will allow you to adjust your personal strategy much more quickly. again as inori said, you should always look for ways to improve yourself personally, as well as to improve the raid as a whole.
anywho, hopefully this is helpful, and if you have any other questions or anything, feel free to ask
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mike.olmeda
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Re: alt raid group
Hey thanks for the feedback guys this is really helpful for me and my development. really appreciate it I'll def ask if i have more questions